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#1 spaceJew

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 01:25 PM

What do you prefer to use for your shabbos hot water dispensation needs, a coffee urn or a pump style pot? What are the pros and cons of each? Just to clarify, the following links show both models:
1. http://www.amazon.co...32786086&sr=8-5
2.http://www.amazon.co...32786086&sr=8-6

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:01 PM

I use the first one.
Supposedly it doesnt get as hot as the pump models, but 1, its much cheaper and 2, it seems like the pump ones have a very limited lifespan (from what Ive seen - I know someone here is going to tell me about their pump model that has been working for 35 years with no problems)
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:10 PM

what ego said.
i hate those pump ones.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:22 PM

Another urn user here.

Cost was a factor. Also ease of use. The water comes out easily of an urn. I'm constantly having to fight with my friends' pumps.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:29 PM

The pump pots have a design flaw in which the o-ring fails after 6 months of use.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:56 PM

Our pump was horrible. The coffee urn worked so much better.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 03:17 PM

Thanks for your input, all! It seems like "everybody" in these here parts has the pump-pot style and we were straining to figure out why they are more popular. Our coffee-urn just went out of commission after a few good years of service, and we need to get a new one. Our only issue with the urn is that the sides get very hot, which is cause for occasional ouchies and presumably wasted electricity. ( And of course the dummy error of getting distracted and leaving the spout down for too long while your drink overflows.)

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 03:23 PM

Thanks for your input, all! It seems like "everybody" in these here parts has the pump-pot style and we were straining to figure out why they are more popular. Our coffee-urn just went out of commission after a few good years of service, and we need to get a new one. Our only issue with the urn is that the sides get very hot, which is cause for occasional ouchies and presumably wasted electricity. ( And of course the dummy error of getting distracted and leaving the spout down for too long while your drink overflows.)

The overheated sides are a result of poor or no insulation, so i assume you are right about the wasted electricity, but there is some sort of insulation that you can buy to put over the urn, it avoids the burns, and keeps the water hotter...
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#9 Nooch

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 03:25 PM

The overheated sides are a result of poor or no insulation, so i assume you are right about the wasted electricity, but there is some sort of insulation that you can buy to put over the urn, it avoids the burns, and keeps the water hotter...


You run the risk of being oiver on hatmana doing this....

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 03:26 PM

you can buy or make covers for the sides.
you just have to be careful about hatmanah

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 03:26 PM

You run the risk of being oiver on hatmana doing this....

If you put it on from before shabbos? It doesnt get moved on Shabbos.
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 03:27 PM

If you put it on from before shabbos? It doesnt get moved on Shabbos.

None the less.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 03:34 PM

None the less.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 03:38 PM

You learn something new every day...
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 03:46 PM

What Nooch said: nonetheless.

You can't completely enclose something that is a kli rishon, like an urn, b/c it's "adding heat". Even from before shabbat. It's a gezeira derabbanan.

The question then becomes what "completely enclosing" means. For example, if there's a space between the covering and the pot/urn. Or if there's an opening on the side so it's not completely closed.


The thing about erev shabbat, is that if it's done erev shabbat, you can't, but if you do, be-di'avad, there may possibly be room to be meikil and eat the food on shabbat especially if it was fully cooked before shabbat, as water in an urn usually is if it's plugged in long enough before shabbat. But that's be'di'avad. You still can't do it.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 04:16 PM

it's all crap. what's wrong with a teapot on a blech ?
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 04:23 PM

it's all crap. what's wrong with a teapot on a blech ?


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Posted 26 March 2012 - 04:31 PM

does anyone know of one that doesnt have plastic in contact with hot water?

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 04:56 PM

it's all crap. what's wrong with a teapot on a blech ?


how can you put it back on the blech?

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:25 PM

how can you put it back on the blech?


There is a halachically permissible method.





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