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#41 Master Zed

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 06:33 PM

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 06:41 PM

Misquoted passuk in #2 ובהמה רבה

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 03:37 AM

FailedMessiah posted a video of the guy burning a book and being arrested.  He shouts "Mormons" at the start but I still can't see what the book is.  He says they claim to be Jewish but write "Yehoshua", but he might have been told that the evil Mormon missionaries were coming to steal his neshomah and can't tell one missionary apart from another.  Shmarya identifies him as well-known Kotel figure "Mordechai"

 


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 05:56 AM

Never head of him. Guess he ain't that well-known.

הַתְקַשֵּׁר מַעֲדַנּוֹת כִּימָה אוֹ-מֹשְׁכוֹת כְּסִיל תְּפַתֵּחַ

doubt not through the ages one increasing purpose runs, and the thoughts of men are widened with the process of the suns.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 09:22 AM

From what I've heard, the cops were reprimanded by a judge for arresting the women for wearing tallitot/tefilin.

If they can keep up the pressure and continue to get publicity, the WOtW will get what they want.

הַתְקַשֵּׁר מַעֲדַנּוֹת כִּימָה אוֹ-מֹשְׁכוֹת כְּסִיל תְּפַתֵּחַ

doubt not through the ages one increasing purpose runs, and the thoughts of men are widened with the process of the suns.

#46 Sheretz b'yado

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 12:39 PM

From what I've heard, the cops were reprimanded by a judge for arresting the women for wearing tallitot/tefilin.

If they can keep up the pressure and continue to get publicity, the WOtW will get what they want.

 

Then where will they get their kicks?



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Posted 13 April 2013 - 12:20 PM

Then where will they get their kicks?

 

 

those women who sincerely want to pray at the kotel in their own way will get their kicks from being able to do so. I don't care about any others.


 


הַתְקַשֵּׁר מַעֲדַנּוֹת כִּימָה אוֹ-מֹשְׁכוֹת כְּסִיל תְּפַתֵּחַ

doubt not through the ages one increasing purpose runs, and the thoughts of men are widened with the process of the suns.

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 10:02 PM

 

those women who sincerely want to pray at the kotel in their own way will get their kicks from being able to do so. I don't care about any others.


 

 

 

uhuh. And if this only has to do with themselves and not with proving something to the greater public--so how was Robinson's Arch not good enough?



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Posted 13 April 2013 - 10:49 PM

uhuh. And if this only has to do with themselves and not with proving something to the greater public--so how was Robinson's Arch not good enough?

Ever see the Robinson's Arch area?

Not the best place to organize a group tefila.

And if you are in the least infirm--really not a great place.


הַתְקַשֵּׁר מַעֲדַנּוֹת כִּימָה אוֹ-מֹשְׁכוֹת כְּסִיל תְּפַתֵּחַ

doubt not through the ages one increasing purpose runs, and the thoughts of men are widened with the process of the suns.

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:16 PM

Ever see the Robinson's Arch area?

Not the best place to organize a group tefila.

And if you are in the least infirm--really not a great place.

 

uhuh. That's why.



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Posted 15 April 2013 - 06:19 AM

At least no women were arrested when assisted by Peres lighting a memorial torch for Yom Hazikaron even though that wouldn't fly in an ultra-orthodox synagogue.

I guess women daveners are easier targets to bully than the IDF.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 06:58 AM

Oh, the haredim have objected bitterly in the past to the idea of the kotel being used for state ceremonies. However, as you say, for some reason, nobdy throws chairs or excrement when the IDF and police come to clear everone out prior to the ceremonies.

I guess they don't really believe in the real concept of mesirat nefesh for those particular ideals.

הַתְקַשֵּׁר מַעֲדַנּוֹת כִּימָה אוֹ-מֹשְׁכוֹת כְּסִיל תְּפַתֵּחַ

doubt not through the ages one increasing purpose runs, and the thoughts of men are widened with the process of the suns.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 07:17 AM

the kotel being used for state ceremonies.

Do you think it is appropriate? Any state ceremony?

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 07:30 AM

Why not?

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 07:45 AM

Do you think it is appropriate? Any state ceremony?

You're damn right I do.
It's an extremely appropriate site for remembering the victims of the Shoah.
It's an extremely appropriate site for remembering the fallen in Israel's wars.
And it's an extremely appropriate site for any and all Yom Ha'atzmaut ceremonies. It is right next to the center of the First and Second Commonwealths. There is no better site for celebrating the Third Commonwealth, until we reach full Geula, and move next door.

If people object to using the Kotel for such occasions, how do you expect to even minimally connect the young people of this country to their history, not to mention their religion?

הַתְקַשֵּׁר מַעֲדַנּוֹת כִּימָה אוֹ-מֹשְׁכוֹת כְּסִיל תְּפַתֵּחַ

doubt not through the ages one increasing purpose runs, and the thoughts of men are widened with the process of the suns.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 09:07 AM

Do you think it is appropriate? Any state ceremony?

yes.

Tzahal as if liberated the kotel. It is entirely appropriate to have national ceremonies there.
If the state didnt the torah true would yell and scream how the state is devoid of torah and belief in god.

Plus the kotel is a national symbol as exemplified by yearning for zion

You cant keep the nontorah true from the kotel and then also expect to lay down their lives and die for the unification of jerusalem

When the charedim are willing to die for anything, and not just riot and throw feces and yell and scream about evil decrees and pogroms, we can discuss keeping tzahal away from the kotel.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 09:09 AM

Maskim with everything but:

When the charedim are willing to die for anything, and not just riot and throw feces and yell and scream about evil decrees and pogroms, we can discuss keeping tzahal away from the kotel.

 

And if anyone has the gall to bring up some sort of "halachic argument" that the Kotel shouldn't be used for such profane purposes, tell him to first stop all the frum yidden from eating herring and kichel in shul and then we'll talk.



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Posted 15 April 2013 - 09:12 AM

The reality is the governments create national feelings through the use of ceremonies.

Maskim with everything but the last sentence.

should I have used stronger rhetoric and straw men?

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 09:18 AM

If you can work in the words "prostitute" and "Tziyonazi" you'll be off to a good start.



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Posted 16 April 2013 - 06:17 PM

Melech, those pictures were hilarious!!
Thanks for the laugh!

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