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#1 Indigo

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 07:09 PM

I was wrong. Women should NOT learn torah. This epiphany came to me today overhearing a woman who said ever since she learned that you shouldn't put honey in sacrifices, she stopped putting honey in her challah recipes.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:11 AM

I was wrong. Women should NOT learn torah. This epiphany came to me today overhearing a woman who said ever since she learned that you shouldn't put honey in sacrifices, she stopped putting honey in her challah recipes.

 

So she's going to make matzot all year long?


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 06:55 AM

Apparently R. Moshe Feinstein agreed.

 

I dread to think what happens when she comes to shul (רחמנא ליבא בעי).



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:03 AM

Is bee honey even included in the restriction? It's targeted at fruit, but maybe anything sweet is also included?
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Posted 05 March 2014 - 02:05 PM

on imamother:

 

icon_minipost_new.gif Posted: Today at 4:57 am       Post subject: re: New Chumros - Says Rabbi Imamother

(lifted from another site) Just like it is forbidden to put honey on the mizbeiach, honey may not be added to challah.



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 02:48 PM

I'm really bot getting this - are their challos also unleavened?
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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:20 PM

I'm really bot getting this - are their challos also unleavened?

well maybe they are making a hekesh to kiddush, and are just passuling for challah what we passul for kidush


but really, there is no understanding. this is vibershe toyreh



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:24 PM

Now you're passeling sweet wine for kiddush? When will you learn that Machmir is Not Always Better!
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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:15 PM

Wouldn't that also mean that they can't eat challah since they are making it holy, similar to not pointing to the shankbone?



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:59 PM

Wouldn't that also mean that they can't eat challah since they are making it holy, similar to not pointing to the shankbone?

 

Can't eat anything at all from the table, it's an altar.


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#11 Snag

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 06:07 PM

Can't eat anything at all from the table, it's an altar.

אין המזבח מקדש אלא את הראוי לו
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Posted 05 March 2014 - 06:13 PM

אין המזבח מקדש אלא את הראוי לו

 

Now you're trying to teach Torah shebaal peh to women?


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 06:21 PM

Now you're trying to teach Torah shebaal peh to women?

As long as they don't wear tefillin, it's all fair game.
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Posted 05 March 2014 - 07:00 PM

Al tikrei tiflut ela tefillin

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 12:26 AM

Now you're passeling sweet wine for kiddush? When will you learn that Machmir is Not Always Better!

Nevertheless, I have it on good authority that HKB"H appreciates kiddush on a fine Cabernet much more  than the kosher equivalent of Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill.


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 02:13 AM

I was wrong. Women should NOT learn torah. This epiphany came to me today overhearing a woman who said ever since she learned that you shouldn't put honey in sacrifices, she stopped putting honey in her challah recipes.

Men shouldn't either, using the same logic, except that I don't have a cute story to back it up. Only horrible stories like how rabbis pasken not to turn in child molesters and whatnot.

But frankly, keeping people from learning doesn't keep them from making up their own minhagei shtuss.

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 06:59 AM

Nevertheless, I have it on good authority that HKB"H appreciates kiddush on a fine Cabernet much more than the kosher equivalent of Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill.

When He starts drinking the kiddush wine, I'll let Him choose the type...
" All my life I have tried to pluck a thistle and plant a flower wherever the flower would grow in thought and mind."

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 09:31 AM

There is actually some precedent (see footnote 29) for not putting honey in challah on the first night of sukkos, but for a different reason.



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Posted 06 March 2014 - 09:47 AM

Sorry, posted in wrong thread.
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Posted 06 March 2014 - 10:00 AM

When He starts drinking the kiddush wine, I'll let Him choose the type...

If we're going to make challah like menachot, we should make kiddush over whatever they used for nesachim. Sun-sweetened grapes are kosher only b'diavad, naturally sweet grapes are pasul.

משנה מנחות ח ו

mevushal is out too, but there are already people who at least prefer not mevushal


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